Originally by: Kayosoni

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Originally by: Kalintos Tyl

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mhm wortless misiles?

double bonused bigest size bs turets have lower dps than torps. They even start to miss more and mroe after 5km. Yep underpowered caldari... /sarcasm off

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barrage is hardly high damage. also torps hit battleships for 75% max damage.

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Originally by: PhatBoy

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Originally by: UrsaeMajoris

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Edited by: UrsaeMajoris on 25/10/2008 05:48:04

Originally by: Wannabehero

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Regarding PVE

I was optimistic of the alteration to the missile formula. In general I liked the sound of it... at first. My conclusion at this point however is that this formula is intrinsically totally borked.

Just forgetting about PVP, lets look at PVE

A standard mission NPC battleship runs the range of on average 350 - 460 m^2 sig and speeds of around 140 m/s orbit

With the new damage formula, I see that cruise missiles do 50% or less the damage they do currently to NPC battleships, and it gets even worse for torpedoes. Target painters do not help significantly, as the problem lies in the explosion velocity variable of the damage formula.

I find this unacceptable.

I will write this again, big and bold so it might be noticed

Cruise missiles and Torpedoes will do ~ 50% or less the damage they do currently against NPC's

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I completely agree with you. The explosion velocity reductions are too extreme - all of these missiles nerfs are too extreme unless the damage formula has been changed in such a way that explosion velocity isn't a big a factor towards final dealt damage anymore?

The torp changes are unnecessary - why increase the explosion radius on Rage Torps? 540m to 650m!?
Most battleship-hull based targets will now require 2 target painters (or 1 with very good skills on a golem) to be used on them for their sig radius to match the explosion radius which is not usually an option for raven/cnr fittings.

Yes I'm aware Rage Torps have been given a damage boost but it's only an increase of 6.67% percent, certainly not in scale with an explosion radius increase of 20%.
If anything CCP should rethink some of these changes or think about implementing a skill that decreases the explosion radius for "unguided" missiles. At the very least please let Crash boosters affect "unguided" missiles as well or let Warhead Rigor Catalyst rigs + exp radius implant affect them too.

I'd somewhat understand if CCP was trying to encourage proper use of the Rapier/Huginn/Hyena target painting abilities (instead of just nano setups) but then again, they are Minmatar ships and Caldari are the primary torp users.

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Signed and agreed with on both statements. Like i have been saying. These missile nerfs are MUCH to EXTREME when only a tiny tweak is needed. Like stated b4 Ravens should beable to do what any other BS vs BS can do. turrets have a chance to insta pop a inty but a raven now has ABSOLUTLY NO CHANCE of even coming close. even a webbed and painted inty can take 2mins to kill i mean honestly its if you dont see that is to extreme CCP then i have no idea what you call extreme.

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Originally by: Xenomorphea

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Originally by: CCP Nozh

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Small update:
Medium drones were tracking small targets a bit too well. So we increased their optimal signature radius to 125 and increased their tracking by a factor of 1.6x, resulting in an overall -23.2% reduction in effective tracking. The improvement was quite noticeable, we were still able to use them to kill frigates, but it took a while longer.

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You must be kidding me ... do you realize that medium and light drones are the ONLY weapon BS pilots can use to kill frigates, now that stasis webifiers are totally useless? And you nerf medium drones even further? How can you call this "balance"? Medium drones are usually not even fast enough to catch frigates anyway, what need is there to ruin their tracking further?

If all the other "balancing" is carried out with the same lack of logic, we might be as well playing LOL-Online in a few weeks when the patch goes live.

Cheers, Xeno

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Originally by: Rip Striker

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Edited by: Rip Striker on 26/10/2008 13:34:21
Ok, here are some additional test results from Singularity.

Ship used, Nighthawk (new! expl vel bonus) with heavy T1, T2 fury, and T2 precision kinetic ammo. Relevant skills, command ships 4 - guided missile precision 4 - target navigation prediction 4.

Target, interceptor Crusader at 0 m/s, 1400 m/s (AB), 3500 m/s (MWD)

Max damage per missile (after resists) are:
T1 - 145
T2f - 186
T2p - 126

Results:

___Speed__________T1______T2 fury______T2 prec______
___0 m/s__________46______34___________45___________
___1400 m/s_______13______6____________18___________
___3500 m/s_______12______5____________17___________



Fly Safe!

EDIT: No damage mods or implants were used.

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Originally by: Naomi Knight

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Originally by: Kalintos Tyl

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Edited by: Kalintos Tyl on 06/11/2008 08:28:14
Crusie misiles do around 70dmg to mwding vaga. And crusier like vaga got 1500 shield, 3-4 voleys from raven will remove whole t2 cruiser shield, dont you think its too much if heavy misiels do around 110 dmg ?


Raven with precisions + painter vs vaga ab/invu/large booster /wd

raven wins in less than minute.

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OMG a vaga without a LSE or any tank at all? Yeah it should die in less than a minute,but what about vagas with 8k+ shield? Their regen rate will tank out a cruise raven now.

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Originally by: dojocan81

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Edited by: dojocan81 on 06/11/2008 10:12:09

Originally by: Kalintos Tyl

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Originally by: Naomi Knight

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Originally by: Kalintos Tyl

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Edited by: Kalintos Tyl on 06/11/2008 08:28:14
Crusie misiles do around 70dmg to mwding vaga. And crusier like vaga got 1500 shield, 3-4 voleys from raven will remove whole t2 cruiser shield, dont you think its too much if heavy misiels do around 110 dmg ?


Raven with precisions + painter vs vaga ab/invu/large booster /wd

raven wins in less than minute.

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OMG a vaga without a LSE or any tank at all? Yeah it should die in less than a minute,but what about vagas with 8k+ shield? Their regen rate will tank out a cruise raven now.

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its active tank ^^ to see hwo it will work. And rember USING AB and no extenders to increse signature.

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then you are wrong again, b/c each t2 prec cruise will do 41,7 dmg on a 1,6km/s AB'ing Vaga with max skills @ 40% kin resi

with no LSE's, the vaga does have 2066 shield, so you need at least 8,25 volleys or 49,5 prec cruise missiles ... not 3-4 volleys :)

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